Posts by Double Edge

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Did the Resurrection really happen?

by thinker in

was written next and makes a brief mention of the resurrection and ascension; which includes a conspiracy theory about the body being stolen (matt.

where did jesus first appear?

where else did jesus appear?

Double Edge

JanW and RWC:

I read both of your post with great interest. Faith, to me, is a horse of many colors. I agree with Jan asserting that some religions have misused the "we need to have faith" line; however with regards to the doubting Thomas, I lean towards what RWC said:

The statement was directed to those throught the ages who would not have the benefit of seeing him in the flesh yet who would trust him for their salvation. It was an encouragement to those, not a criticism of Thomas.

It seems to me faith and belief are two different things. "Faith" is active, whereas "belief" is passive. Some people in "the old world" believed the world was round, not flat and that if you sailed westward you wouldn't fall off into an abyss. Others, like Columbus, took that belief further...they had faith to spend years getting financing, finding ships, crews etc. and actually set sail. I think there is a very REAL 'power' in faith, but the key is applying it to what is real (truth). In other words, faith is a motivator to take action on something that can't be seen, but nevertheless true, whereas belief is a benign cerebral function.

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Second death-what does it REALLY mean?

by FRUSR8TD in

in this thread... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=28021&site=3.

bleep said:.

how can you be suffering when your dead?.

Double Edge

Bleep:

Hope this clears up some things Edge: I was only try to make a point with regards having to have everyone as spirits in heaven.

Sorry BLEEP, but it doesn't clear it up...I believe, as most Christians that people have spirits...Yesterday you were complaining that we don't back up our points thru scriptures. We've given you scriptures, but you ignore them. You sound just like my JW friend, it's always a one-sided conversation. Again, you've caught me at the end of the day...I've got to run...I hope to be able to respond to your other points...because BROTHER, THEY NEED TO BE RESPONDED TO.

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In Commemoration of 9/11

by john123 in

jw
friends

hi everyone i am relatively new to the message board.

for those who are interested i am holding commemoration events for 9/11 throughout september 2002 in tucson, arizona.

these events are only for former member of "cults.

Double Edge

why would this commeration be only for ex-members of 'cults'? (just curious).

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Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

Double Edge

Neb:

I think it's very telling that most of these experiences happen when the person is falling asleep or just waking up. This is a simple sleep disorder. can our amazing mystical experiences be explaiend this easily? Yes.

It's only "telling" if you've never experienced it, and they don't ALWAYS happen at or during sleep time. However, I do think when one is just about to fall asleep, or during or just about to wake up, I think a person is probably in a more condusive state to pickup that kind of "dream/visit" energy (whatever)....in other words, your more in tuned to receive something.

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I Gave Blood...

by mikepence in

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friends

i just gave blood at work.

another big bad horrible thing that i was taught was evil, debunked.. peace,.

mike pence.

Double Edge

Thumbs up Mike! You're a hero to someone.

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Second death-what does it REALLY mean?

by FRUSR8TD in

in this thread... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=28021&site=3.

bleep said:.

how can you be suffering when your dead?.

Double Edge

Bleep:

So many angels have wanted what mankind has

How do you know that? Seems like the following scripture would indicate that angels are above mere mortals...why would they want what mankind has?

Hebrews 2
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

And what's up with "man wanted a woman"...don't you think that was God's plan all along, or do you think Adam just had a hankering. Noooo, God made man and woman partners, co-equals.

If say a man decides not to obey God; then the woman being the wife and also the child can break free.

Break free of what? You think if a husband disobey's God, suddenly his wife and child has lost their link to God...how unfair and ridiculous.

Anyway where I am getting at is why would they all want to be higher up and be spirits?

Of course that is your interpretation...that we don't have spirits. The following scriptures indicate otherwise:

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Ecclesiastes 12
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 3:21
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

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Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

Double Edge

Rick:

But that dream yesterday really got me spinning.. I've never experienced anything like that before. It was more then just a plain dream I think.

I don't think dreams are all alike and just our 'brain' making up stories....for me, those tend to fade fast - sometimes I dream of something really weird, only to forget most of it an hour after I get up. Then there are dreams that I remember, but usually they're something to do with what's going on in my life...I remember them for a day or two then my brain "deletes" them. Thirdly, the few, most profound ones, I remember to this day, and for the most part are of a spiritual nature.

I think you are right about your experience, it was more than 'just' a dream.

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Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

Double Edge

home and dry:

Thought your post was very intriguing. Almost gave me chills, but I think what happened was on the positive side, not negative. I think we are being watched over more than we know.

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Talking to the dead

by Kep in

jw
friends

as the borg hammered us into thinking that anyone who had contact with the dead were in fact speaking to the demons, however, now we know that a lot of their teachings are full of sh*t.. i lost my dad at the start of this year.

a couple of months later i bump into a close friend who has known dad for many years.. this guy was stoked that he was getting married and mentioned how it was a shame dad wasn't around for the wedding.. yesterday i called in to see him and he told me something that had happened to him.. he was talking to his sister, who lives in another town, and she is active in some spiritual group.

she said she had never met jack, my dad, but that she has been talking to him and that he had a message he wanted given to this friend, her brother.. dad wanted him to get out of this relationship fast.. he never took it seriously and carried on as usual.. not long after that, this fiancee of his smashed up his 4x4, was on a restricted drivers licence and spent the money he gave her for his hire purchases.. so, his truck is wrecked, he can't claim insurance to get it repaired, he still has to pay it off, a lot of his possessions have been repo-ed and that basically he is in sh*t street without a shovel.. do you think it was a message from my dad ??.

Double Edge

Adonai:

I find your response somewhat COLD (one of the reasons events like this are seldom shared), but in any event, it is your opinion. It seems that you are comparing apples and oranges. First of all you quote scripture out of the old testament...a group of people coming from all sorts of situations which included certain pagan religions (talking to the dead). Heck, even 'godly' Saul went wacko and chose to consult a witch rather than God.

I don't think this applies at all. There's a big difference in consulting with and putting your trust in "spirits". It is reasonable to believe that a loving Heavenly Father would want us to be comforted from the grief of the death of a loved one and I think that is done in various ways, including a "dream/visit" of the one who has passed on.

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Second death-what does it REALLY mean?

by FRUSR8TD in

in this thread... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=28021&site=3.

bleep said:.

how can you be suffering when your dead?.

Double Edge

Bleep....

You have Soooooooooo much to learn. Stay tuned with this board and get more than a "one-sided" education. I've got to take off now, but I'll leave you with this one thought. Think of ALL the 'priviledges' the 144,000 are suppose to have in God's Kingdom...guess what, they're reserved for YOU and me and more than a mere 144,000. What you have been taught is bogus and can be scripturally proven. Catch you later (if you have the courage to stay and the intelligence to hear more than just one side of interpretation).